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Culture contrary to Godliness #4

II Peter 3:11 [Seeing] then [that] all these things shall be dissolved, what manner [of persons] ought ye to be in [all] holy conversation and godliness,

Ephesians 5:2-4 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour. But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.


Matthew 12:33-37 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by [his] fruit. O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh. A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things. But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

Godliness, as mentioned in the post below, has everything to do with our attitude towards God and the life he calls us to lead (the link between godliness and holiness if you like).

I have noticed and indeed been guilty myself due to unwarranted passivity, a tendency for those called saints in the faith of Christ, often take delight in conversing about things that have nothing to do with our common salvation, Christian life or other issues.

Once again this is an issue that will be very easy for me to come across as legalistic, so let me say that I've no problem with Christians talking about general topics: weather, sport, politics, social issues etc; But if these things make up the sum and total of a fellowship's conversation, shouldn't it be of some concern?

To address the above Scriptures, I'm well aware, as someone may be led to point out, that the word conversation in the NT concerns broader conduct and interactions with others than mere talk, but naturally our narrow definition of conversation is contained within this broader one.

Holy conversation and godliness are essential to personal and corporate spiritual health as well as public testimony. So if the way we are conducting ourselves in both definitions of conversation is no different to that of the world, what message is sent to other Christians and non-believers alike. This is not all a holier-than-thou rant, but a call to consideration of what holiness and godliness mean in practical terms.

Looking at the Ephesians passage, this area of speech has often concerned me when in Christian company. When I deal with unsaved high-school students I expect sexually explicit speech of some sort, as well as racist, obscene and profane language at different times, but if this same speech emerges in Christian fellowship I wonder how many people have read Ephesians 5.

The reason I focus on these things: filthiness, foolish talking & jesting, is because they are culturally entrenched. I get accused often of telling lame jokes (as do almost all fathers and pastors I know!), but I take this lightly, because compared to the filth I spat out for humour in my teenage years, I know a lame pun is gentle and harmless even if it may be at the expense of being found quite as humourous.

I wonder if Christians insulting one another in a joking manner is included in this, as sometimes people do take this jesting to heart. Whether coming from a peer or a person in authority, personal jesting can be very destructive as a person may feel either unaccepted or perhaps merely not taken seriously by others. I must warn myself in writing this as much as anyone else. As I said, I am looking for things that are culturally entrenched. Things we partake in without thinking about, when we evidently should upon examination.

Finally, the warning against idle words is always sobering when preached effectively. We have all said utterly foolish things that are not productive and know that we could not possibly justify having said them. The scary thing is, this message is soon forgotten after it is heard by most people. In the context of the passage and in relation to the previous two, Christians should be bringing good things to bear through their mouths, while we would expect foul things to come from foul hearts.

Let that be a warning to us all.

I propose that the remedy to this is for us to bring the issue before our fellowship groups, however casual or organised, and remind one another when a conversation begins down this path. In this way, we might become more aware of our foolish speech and strive to avoid it and bring forth good things such as thanksgiving, encouragement and instruction from our mouths.